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@vitalik.eth
Unexpected TIL from reading https://unsongbook.com/ :
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@eddieosh
Less a death, more an upgrade to eternal life in heaven!
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@vitalik.eth
Ooh this is a chance for me to give my other blasphemous opinion (some credit to Eliezer): Christian heaven is actually not that fun, and I think most people would consider it worse than life on Earth. Here's a GPT summary of what heaven is like. Do you really want to pray to god and sing songs for hours every day?
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@jonnyringo.eth
Christian heaven is described in hyperbole. Our judgement of whether it is desirable comes from our life experience and expectations of reality. Humans have trouble experiencing life without pain to define pleasure. "There can be no good, without evil" this concept applies across ideals and perceptions....
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@jonnyringo.eth
... within our "reality." But if you leave this reality and elevate to a higher form of existence, would your desires and definitions still remain the same without the physical traits that define them?
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@bias
This points to the naivety of much of the Christian ideas, the childish/selfish and arrogant belief that there is anything after this and that we’d be of a similar form of mind about all of it in the actual case there was.
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@jonnyringo.eth
Knowing there is more than just this, adds depth to our existence. While I do not follow Christian outlines, I do follow science. And even the soul is now a measurable form of energy. I think existence beyond here is something we can calculate as probable. Why do we have a conscience built in if there is no point?
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@bias
Also, in my experience, believing there is more to look forward to gives people the motivation to fly planes into buildings. 🤷 I think it’s a far healthier and sustainable outlook to feel we were lucky enough to get this existence, so we better make the most of this, as this is all there might be.
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@jonnyringo.eth
I think there is a difference here between belief and religion tho. Most assume you are religious if you have a belief in a higher existence, but really these are different things. Religion is conformity to a belief system via a controlled narrative path. Belief is just one factor of that. Now imma go blow some shit up
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@jonnyringo.eth
Haha but seriously, I fully agree with your assertion about being gratefully for this existence. But personally I think k this life is the starting point of our existence, and "first impressions last the longest" but in a more cosmic sense where our thoughts, experiences, and actions will determine our futures.
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@eddieosh
I'm thinking that at the root it's less about heaven and more to do with a relationship with God, C.S.Lewis called it a "God-shaped hole" in all of us. A desire for an afterlife is a desire to be closer to God.
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