Jessica on Warpcast

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The pressing issue of this time is what is the path to cultural restoration, and you can't do a cultural restoration while you have massive amounts of immigration.

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Why restoration, and not building something new and well-adapted to the knowledge and needs of the 21st century?

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But the current state is unprecedentedly amazing technology and knowledge wise. The ideal culture, given 21st century technology and 21st century knowledge about how to do culture, is likely to be very different from even the best-performing 20th century culture. So we should try to reach that new and better goal.

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The moral and religious states are more important than the states of technology and economics. This decline is also resulting a very dangerous territory in both politics and society. Human nature doesn't change over time. The Anglo-world reached a semi-ideal state and tradition at some point but was destroyed through the introduction of a totally new culture which some people thought was better than what was inherited. There's going to be something new but it needs to build on the past, because it contains truth that has worked better before and the life that people have lived before is suprior to the emptiness of the modern way of life.

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hmm maybe some concrete examples: * The optimal work culture in a world with AI, remote work, digital tools, etc is different from the optimal work culture in a still largely manual labor world * The optimal sexual culture given 5+ distinct types of birth control (and disease control) is different from the optimal sexual culture before those things * The optimal political culture given modern very high levels of communication tech, and much lower difference between ability to communicate with physical neighbors and ability to communicate with people across the world, is different from the optimal political culture before that * The optimal food culture given modern knowledge about health, preparation techniques, availability of ingredients etc is different from the optimal food culture before that So I'm just not sure how useful "replicate the 1950s" (or 1850s) is as a North Star™

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Both sexual and food culture are bad examples. The change in sexual culture has resulted a fertility crisis, breakdown of families, social hierarchy, lack of concern for the unborn, and just an epidemic of degeneracy. For food culture, it has resulted in obesity. You could say: but now we could try something like Bryan Johnson, I respect what he's doing, but with the current state it would result in a radical change in the focus on what's most important in life and definitely won't result more happiness. Work is a tricky one because it's not clear there's a way back while automation is here, on more the point you've mentioned, everyone in startups, or high-performing cultures like SpaceX, etc seems to agree now that remote work has failed. On politics and communication, I am not sure what exactly you mean, but if you take the result is a foreign policy based on social contracts, which was a radical change, it has failed everywhere from the EU to the Middle East.

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No there's not some mass "crisis" of childlessness... Birth rates are lower bc people have 1-2 kids instead of 6. This is not generally a problem since productivity has also exploded. It creates some challenges with the aging out of old workers but they can be smoothed through immigration but you probably hate that too

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Yes. Immigration as the source of new people in a society destroys its culture.

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