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@dwr.eth
I often see people Farcaster isn't "sufficiently decentralized". You're free to define what "sufficiently decentralized" means to you, of course, but how we think about it is laid out in Varun's blog post. https://www.varunsrinivasan.com/2022/01/11/sufficient-decentralization-for-social-networks
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@dwr.eth
"But if most people use Warpcast, doesn't that mean it's de facto centralized?" Depends on the perspective. For a developer, if you are building on the protocol, then you're free to sign up your own users or convince users to move over to your app (it's easy for users to use multiple clients at the same time). For an account with an audience, let's say you were unfairly nerfed by Warpcast, i.e. you don't appear on the app. There's definitely a lot of friction to get people to start using another client if they already don't, but the protocol itself is not restricting your ability to communicate. That's an important distinction because on web2 / centralized social networks, the app and the "protocol" (i.e. the database) is the same thing.
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@zinger
This would make a great blog post “Sufficient decentralization in practice”
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@eriks
appreciate u guys putting this out there time and time again nearly everything starts out centralized, with the goal of decentralizing over time, fc is leading this in social
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No issues with me on the "sufficiently decentralized" term. Makes sense IMO. I do feel focusing on making Farcaster as open as possible (DM's / channels) before find tuning the feed should be a priority though. If all clients have the same features, then we have X amount of projects building clients with similar features, each will get more users because of a fair playing field. End result is, more devs / clients / users able to "crack" the feed / spam issues. I'm reluctant, or should I say unable to use any other client full time without DM's and channel features. Would prioritising a level playing field here not be the better play for the whole ecosystem?
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@ttang.eth
Just one question can illustrate whether farcaster is "sufficiently decentralized": if warpcast is gone, will farcaster still exist?
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@imduna.eth
Im sorry but this is the most loose definition of decentralization, and essentially making twitter sufficiently decentralized... you can always change the current setting because you control the protocol
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@ttang.eth
Due to the monopoly of warpcast, third-party login is difficult to achieve
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@chasesommer.eth
Dan are you getting bullied again?
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@thecurioushermit
Warpcast goes down for an hour, I go to @super and still have reach to my audience. Facebook goes down? Well, that means Instagram and Threads are probably down, so there goes any chance at all to contact anyone there until it's back up. Warpcast decides to quit the game entirely? As long as people are still running hubs, the network can continue through other clients. Facebook or X poofs? We lose contact with everyone we've known online for decades, along with every bit of the content we've put there. I'd say Farcaster is quite sufficiently decentralized for my standards.
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@ttang.eth
Just one question can illustrate whether Farcaster is "sufficiently decentralized": if Warpcast is gone, will Farcaster still exist? https://canvass.fun/p/g811p4
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@ttang.eth
Why do people come to Farcaster? For the community, for those who share common interests, and for building Farcaster together. If not, why would I come to Farcaster? https://bimoo.space/~/article/0x21f07df79d5f8ee99f951c6ae9c85a3e3fc24eb28f596c536aee813be8384a8e
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I think it’s interesting how users prioritize experience over principles sometimes. it really depends on who’s looking at it though, Users care about smooth experiences, and it makes sense. I’m all for seeing smaller teams step up and bring fresh ideas to the table and The Dev's Day sounds like a great chance to get everyone on the same page and spark some cool collaborations, it feels like we’re just scratching the surface of what’s possible here
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Many people directly equate Warpcast with Farcaster, then criticize Farcaster for being too centralized.
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I mean someone using 3 letters as a username is quite decentralized enough 😂 Can’t be done in most social networks I believe.
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