Dan Romero on Warpcast

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Why don't you clean up "the bots"? Useful to be precise here: "bots" is a catch all term that people use to describe low effort, uninteresting or otherwise off-topic content. However, a "bot" is traditionally thought of as a programmatic account, i.e. controlled by a script or software. e.g. bot net When people on Farcaster refer to "bots" they are more often referring to actual people using a mobile device (with the aid of translation tools and ChatGPT) who post uninteresting content (from their pov). They are casting and replying in hopes of appearing to be a "real account" because they have learned that turns into a future economic reward in crypto. Recent tipping meta has increased the expected value of these accounts. It's possible to algorithmically label these accounts, but then you create a "shadowban" meta. So you massively increase the number of support messages and complaints. This was the state of the world before priority mode.

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We're going to keep iterating here, but our pov is: 1. Priority mode works pretty well out of the box 2. We need to offer ways for actual interesting accounts to break through 3. We'll likely bring back some version of spam labeling since priority mode has created it's own set of customer support complaints. "Why don't you just use onchain signals?" a. Based on our waitlist last year of 300K sign ups, "bots" have plenty of Ethereum addresses with assets. b. Most new users don't want to connect an address during sign up (friction, doesn't work well on mobile). So you'll miss out of on good accounts. c. Active onchain presence != you regularly post interesting content. There are some people of course, but plenty of examples otherwise.

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Further: 1. Meta estimates that 10% of users on their products are potentially bots. 300 million accounts. Says it's hard a problem to solve (even for them). 2. web2 social networks can delete accounts. Farcaster cannot. Warpcast can label as spam / reduce visibility.

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"Just use proof-of-humanity" See the point about real human using a mobile device. That doesn't solve the problem. "Just use another social network signal" Plenty of "bot" accounts on Twitter, also now on GitHub because of Starknet.

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Dropped +100 🔥 FIRE into your account. Check your balance.

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is there any way to filter 24/24 active users? and see the number? if this exists you can easily filter that and ban them from farcaster. Those are purely automated bots that are faking the system. and you can add a list of the useful bots for projects so they don't get banned.

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you dont think there is a flood of AI agents coming onboard to FC on the first of the month for the past 3-4 months? There has been a spike in users joining every time there has been a new degen season and they are all casting really low bar ai content.

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Ok, so if we can’t control them can we at least a) allow channel bans again? not only for casting but for replying. Then they could do whatever they wanted in their own feeds but not in ours.. I don’t feel like the main feed is a solution at all. b) come up with some mute that goes the other way around? I don’t want them to see my posts. They copying our pfps, bios, posts, and even making creepy comments. c) Do as the friend above said and maybe create new categories instead of follow + power badge? Maybe running hot (most engaged users in the last week) or new account, or mutual, for when over 50 of your followers follow this person? I am not aware of the costs but the experience is getting unpleasant and I have been muting lots and lots of accounts, have seen many complain about this. I have more ideas if needed, maybe one of them is cheap and viable? If you read this, thank you.

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You have to solve bots and then peace in the Middle East

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a tale as old as time (⌒_⌒;) seth godin wrote about this struggle the other day "Open systems come with the requirement of self-restraint and humanity." https://seths.blog/2024/06/spam-3-0/

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Long cast has transformed the way you communicate

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Thought on @sayangel and /bot-or-not ? I think he is doing a fantastic job

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I think being less transparent in what you are doing is far better in the long run even though it creates an uproar by a small number of people. Its easy to circumvent the rules when you know exactly what they are.

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Ok man I feel you on this one. Bot can be missinterpreted I get it, but I’m 100% sure that we have plenty of real (lol) bots here. I’m not asking you to shake the magic wand, you already gave us plenty of tolls to filter them out, but still, I feel like all the numbers we see on casts are “pumped” by a lot of ‘em. My humble opinion🤷🏻‍♂️

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Yeah I remember someone at gitcoin mentioning that sybil detection is basically a never ending game. You create a solution to bots then someone creates a counter to your solution and so on. Imo the current best way to deal with this is to better cluster similar users(ik - easier said than done). Also, introduce follows based on channels and common nfts/poaps instead of just the default follow list. The current default follow list leads to a few people gaining a lot of bot followers.

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Good project for a client to solve

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problem is: "farmers" - not actually doing anything wrong "bots" and "automated accounts" - very subjective to differentiate between them. One person spam is another person entertainment Only real solution is having a market for feed algorithms and letting users make the choice themselves

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At least the LLM-bots are nice here, @dwr.eth. https://warpcast.com/drivenbyboredom/0x1c06a0fd

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TIL i am a bot to most of farcaster

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wondering if you had any thoughts on using some kind of criteria that makes a user eligible to opt in as a ‘community moderator’ maybe acc age, open rank, powerbadge weeks held etc can either see the system working 1 of 2 ways 1) a community mod flags a post and it gets highlighted for review for other mods to accept/decline (multiple declines ‘shadowbans’ that user i see this needing some kind of separate admin panel though 2) community mods essentially get the ability to highlight and based on community size, will have a criteria of X highlights required in order for the message to be hidden (essentially like downvoting) i see this more being in cast (like at the bottom of a bot cast, it’d say something like ‘cast highlighted for review: 2/X’ and it would be ‘highlighted’ with the equivalent of a cast action)

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