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@benersing
Is free will an illusion?
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Michael
@michaelelliot
At a minimum we can rule out nature being deterministic
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@tayyab
Does it matter if it is or isn’t?
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@grin
The illusion is that this question has a satisfactory answer
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@timdaub.eth
no
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Sam Iglesias
@sam
Funny thing about free will that it’s impossible to act on the supposition that it’s an illusion.
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@slobo.eth
sometimes yes, sometimes no always unknowable for sure
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Tom Beck
@tombeck.eth
The short answer is “no.” The long answer is “what the hell do you mean by ‘free’?” Free from what? Outside constraints? It depends on the constraints and the specific situation. Free from the laws of physics? Absolutely not. You always have choices. But choices always contain consequences.
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@drinkbeerkillwar.eth
favorite example of free will… https://www.vox.com/2018/9/26/17905796/nuclear-war-1983-stanislav-petrov-soviet-union
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We live in a complex adaptive system with an insane number of variables interacting to play out as emergence of our day and lives. Statistically does it make certain outcomes unlikely? Yes. But drive, determination, and luck can reshape emergence, which is why I believe free will is god’s greatest gift to man.
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@tinyrainboot
Have you heard of the fleas in a jar experiment? I don't know if it's true, my limited googling has proven unsuccessful. But allegedly, leave fleas in a closed glass jar for 3 days and then remove the lid - they'll never jump high enough to get out. (Might just be some motivational LinkedIn crap.)
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IDK - it’s another thing in the too-hard pile along with god and gravity. Systems of accountability coupled with ways to forgive or at least move on matter This and the Atlantic article from 2016 that it cites are helpful https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/determinism-classical-argument-against-free-will-failure/
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@frdysk
it's all about perspective
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@jordanmoore
100%. Any say we think we have this is an automatic thought "claiming" the experience as its own. eg you have no say in the tendons and nerve activity in typing this, nor the precise angles required to hit they keys. Same for digesting, moving oxygen to bloodstream, hearing, seeing, thinking. All happens on its own.
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Only way that makes a diff is if you can identify the powers that be. Without that, this question is just a gateway to nihilism.
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Whether it is or isnt I find it to be related to self integrity. If you believe free will be be an illusion it’s harder to maintain a sense of integrity and a sense of self.
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